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The Orange County Register
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May 13, 2002

Out in the open
Four gay friends from Santa Ana High don't need a club or support group to make them feel good.

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By THERESA WALKER

They want people to know who they are.

They want to talk about a subject that they know a lot of people don't want to hear about.

Homosexuality.

They are teen-agers who attend Santa Ana High. They get teased and harassed sometimes, but mostly, they say, their peers tend to be "cool with it."

All of them are out of the closet, unafraid to be who they are - gay, lesbian, bisexual. They don't throw it in anybody's face, but neither do they hide their own.

Daniel Lopez, 16. Calisse Mendez, 17. Gabriel Garcia, 18. Heidi Martin-DelCampo, 17.

Daniel's brother, Albert Lopez, 13, joined in the conversation. He is not gay, but he is a great supporter of Daniel and his friends.

They don't have a gay-straight alliance or club at their school. They say they really don't need one.

It's enough for them simply to hang out informally at Calisse's house near the school campus with gay friends and straight friends and do the things that teen-agers do:listen to music, laugh, talk.

THE COURAGE TO TELL

Q:You guys are all pretty open about your sexuality, right?

Calisse:Yeah, at school everybody knows about it.

Heidi:My close friends know about my sexuality. But people who just say hi to you, they really don't know about it.

Daniel:Well, not me. Everybody knows.

Heidi:Yeah, it's pretty obvious.

Daniel:I try to be out as much as I can.

Calisse:We're pretty proud about it. We're not ashamed or nothing.

We started getting more encouraged when we started coming out to our parents. And so when we started telling our close friends, that encouraged us to tell -

Heidi:Other people.

Calisse:Just to let people know don't be afraid we're not going to rip off on you or something.

Heidi:Like, turn you into a gay person.

Calisse:It's not contagious.

Gabriel:I let Calisse know. When I first came out it was my freshman year. That's the first person I ever let know.

Heidi:My dad, he was the first person.

Calisse:My mom was the first person that I told and I was scared to tell her. I didn't think she would accept it. And then finally she was like, I'm going to accept you for who you are - like, you're my daughter, you know, how can I not.

So then, I started getting courageous and I started telling my whole family. I was about 15, 16.

Q:What made you finally tell your mom?

Calisse:I've always known my mom was gonna be open-minded. That's how my parents are, they're really open-minded.

For some reason I held back because on the gay subject, people take it to the extent they exaggerate it. I kind of had a notion my mom might do that. But I just finally got the courage. I can't hide who I am.

Heidi:My dad and I, we got into an argument in the garage to the point where he was questioning my sexuality. And I just went "I'm gay!" Yelled it out to him with aggression. And he goes, "OK ... well, if that's what you are then I'll get used to it."

But I can tell he's still not used to it. I was 14.

My mom, she's accepting it. She wasn't mad at me. She's like, "Oh what are you guys going to do today? You should do this ..." She's cool with it - she likes my friends.

My dad told my mom. It went all around my mom's side of the family. On my dad's side, they don't know.

Q:You don't want them to know?

Heidi:Certain of my cousins, he doesn't want them to know because they'll totally turn their backs.

Gabriel:For me, my mom asked me a while ago when I was in eighth grade. She had found out about me, about my past and some of the stuff I had done. She asked me and I told her none of that stuff was true. That it was a lie and I wasn't gay. That I was straight.

I denied it.

Q:Why?

Gabriel:'Cause I was scared. I didn't know what I wanted and stuff. I didn't know who I was going to be and what it was going to be like.

And then this past year, I told her that I was gay. She hinted that she wanted me to tell her - because she already knew things. And so I told her and she was really cool with it. That was the first relative I ever told.

Ever since then, my whole family has known. They've met my boyfriends, and they're so cool with it. They have no problem with it. As long as I get my education, go to college and stuff. That's all they care about.

Q:What about you, Daniel?

Daniel:Well, me, my mom died when I was 10 years old. So I really didn't have a chance to come out to her. Which I really would have liked to, first.

I had to come out to my dad because I was getting really uncomfortable hiding who I was.

So one day we were driving to school and I asked him, what would you say if I was gay? He was like, I probably wouldn't think anything of it, but, are you? And then I was like, no. And then he was like, well, you probably are, and this and that.

We got into an argument and right before I got out the car, I was like, I'm gay and so what! He got all mad and talked to me when I got home.

Then he thought it was like a disease, a mental disease. He wanted to take me to a psychiatrist. I'm like, no, I'm fine.

Calisse:Yeah, my sisters think it's just a phase. My grandmother is still in denial. My dad's cool with it.

Half of my family knows, half of my family doesn't. But eventually they'll know and they'll accept me for who I am. That's how open me and my family are.

Q:When did you guys first realize you were gay?

Heidi:You know in kindergarten where the girls chase the boys? I was chasing the girls.

Daniel:I was chasing the boys.

Heidi:Instead of playing with Barbies, I was playing with fire trucks.

Daniel:That's how you can tell that it's from birth. It just comes out so early. You just don't learn it. You don't pick it up like some kind of illness.

Calisse:My mom had a notion when I was little. She had a notion when all my sisters were born. She said basically, one of you guys is going to be gay. And, I was the lucky one.

My family has met all my girlfriends. And I have been with guys but not to the point where I'm going to hide with them and put a front on it. It's something that they have to know. I want them to be a part of it. If they can't, I have to accept that.Gabriel:When I was growing up, I didn't know any of that stuff. I didn't know guys went out with guys or stuff like that. I thought I was just the only one that was liking guys.

Heidi:It's like, I'm weird.

Daniel:Yeah, at first you think it's wrong. But then you grow to understand yourself.

Gabriel:I didn't know until I got to high school, actually. I started noticing guys going out with guys. And it was OK, but not really.

Q:So you thought you were the only one who felt that way?

Heidi:Yeah, we all did.

Q:Is that because there was no one you could talk to?

Calisse:There was never really nobody there that we could say, you know, here's a sign of this and this and that, am I gay? We never had anybody like that. Like, how should I say, someone to look up to.

We had to have the courage to say, oh my God, there are people out there who are like that. What if I'm like that? You start questioning it.

And then you know for sure - you feel it. It's attraction. Just like how straight people know I like this boy or I like this girl. You know it. You know yourself.

Q:Were you able to talk to your parents about sexuality at all, not necessarily about being gay but asking questions about anything you were curious about?

Daniel:I have. I guess they were on to me when I was younger. At the age of 12 or 13 or 14, I used to still sleep with this stuffed toy. So, um, yeah, they were on to me and they were talking to me about that stuff. My dad, because my mom had died already.

He would be like, are you gay, and this and that. You know like, "I'm not pressuring you into anything, I just want you to know that there's people like that out there. You're not the only one if you are."

But then, you could tell he'd be pretty mad. So that's why I held off telling him until later.

Q:You were getting mixed messages from him? He was saying it's OK, but I really don't want you to be like that?

Daniel:Yeah. It's OK for other people to be gay, just not you be gay.

Q:But none of you had your parents say, Oh no.

Calisse:My parents never talked to me about, oh, this is wrong to do, sexually wrong, blah, blah, blah. They were just basically, you'll learn on your own. It's out there, you'll see it. It's everywhere on TV -- not just homosexuality, but the whole growing up and knowing things.

It was just basically around my environment. At school, I would hear from friends. That's how I had a notion that there were other gay people out there.

My sister had a gay friend. We were just like cool with him, you know, whatever. But my grandmother wasn't really open to it.

Q:Heidi, you were saying your mom was really curious and was asking you questions?

Heidi:Yeah. Instead of me asking her can girls be with girls, she was over here asking me can girls be with girls and boys, or just be with girls.

Q:Did you feel good that she wanted to know more, or that she was prying?

Heidi:Yeah. She just wanted to know. Cause, like, I really don't tell her anything. Hovering up there showed that she cared for me. And I cared to let her know what's going on in my life.

But she'd be like, how can you do it? Does it wear off? And I'm like, no. It's not like being born with leukemia and you get treated.

Then she was like, you know what, it's not a disease. You're born with it. I could tell when your cousins played with GI Joes you'd be over there, and I'd give you Barbie dolls, you'd throw them away.

Daniel:I would play with Barbie dolls.

WHO'S COOL WITH IT, WHO'S NOT

Q:What about at school? Do kids discuss other people's sexuality?

Calisse:Oh, yeah.

Daniel:A lot.

Calisse:You know like guys at school talk about am I going to get it, does it rub off.

Daniel:If I hang out with you, do I turn gay.

Calisse:But at school, people are comfortable with it.

Daniel:Most of the time. Calisse:But they always question it, you know.

Q:Are they questioning it because they want to know more?

Calisse:I think they want to know more.

Heidi:To some straight guys, it's a turn-on.

Gabriel:To hear about lesbians, not about gay guys.

Heidi:They'll be like, it's OK for girls to be with girls but for guys to be with guys, they're like, "Oh you know, I'm going to gay bash you and this and that, I'm going to beat you up for being gay."

Gabriel:But then you know who the cool guys are. They're not like that. They're like whatevers.

Q:They're whatevers?

Heidi:Yeah, like Albert.

Gabriel:Albert, he's not gay. But he's cool to hang out with.

Q:When did you find out Daniel was gay, did he tell you?

Albert:Yeah, he told me when I was around 10 or something, or 9. Wasn't I?

Daniel:Not really. I was like 15 and you were like 12.

Albert:Yeah, 12 or 11. He just told me one day. I kind of thought about it for a minute and then I thought, I don't care.

Q:Why did you tell him?

Daniel:Well, I talk to him more than I talk to anybody else. So I just thought I'd tell him. It was a good start. Because then I told other people, other friends. Then eventually, when I met Calisse she pushed me out of the closet.

Q:What does that mean to you, coming out of the closet?

Heidi:Stop avoiding it. Get over it.

Calisse:Quit hiding yourself.

Daniel:Be honest.

Q:You go up to people and you tell them?

Heidi:No. It has to be the right time.

Calisse:Like, you have the assurance that, OK, I'm ready to tell people who I am and they're not going to have a problem with it.

You're not going to say, "Hey! Look! I'm gay." It's more like, you have a notion, so, I'm going to tell you.

Gabriel:It's like when you get a new jacket, and you bring it out of the closet to show everybody. But they ask you:Oh, is that a new jacket? Yeah, that's a new jacket.

So, if they ask you are you gay, you tell them, yeah, I'm gay. Now you're out of the closet.

Heidi:It feels good afterwards. It's like, take a load off my shoulders.

Daniel:Then there's still these people who are really, really dumb.

Calisse:Those are the really ignorant people.

Daniel:They really pick on you sometimes. Like when you're walking away, because they can't say anything to your face. They're like, "Faggot" or "Queer."

Heidi:"Dyke" is like a big word.

Calisse:It's the way they say it, like with aggression. It doesn't really help the situation. It would just be like me telling you, "Hey, straight!" It's not funny.

Q:Are most of your friends gay or straight?

Heidi:We have a lot of gay friends. We have a rainbow club, literally.

Calisse:Most of the people that we talk to at school that are straight, they're cool with it. They don't mind. They know who we are. It's not like we're the stereotype of gay and lesbian.

Q:What is the stereotype?

Calisse:Basically that gay people sleep around so much. And, it rubs off, that they're giving you bad influences. And it's not "normal." It is, it's normal.

I mean, like my sisters, they were scared when they heard that I was gay. They couldn't accept it. They wanted me to have a baby, you know. I'm not the type of person to have kids. I don't want to have kids when I get older. But they still can't accept it. I mean, they still make fun of me, to the point where it gets irritating and it hurts. And I let them know.

I've had a couple of arguments with my sister, and I actually got into a fistfight with my sister one time. And she apologized. She didn't mean it that way -- it wasn't like I'm going to hurt you just because you're gay. It was just, you know, I was mad at you for something else.

Q:Daniel you said there are dumb people that will call you names when you're walking away. Does that hurt you or have you gotten to the point where now it doesn't bother you?

Daniel:Not really anymore. Sometimes you just want to go back and tell them something.

Heidi:Sometimes you're like, yeah, and so? Then the minute you turn around, they say it again. "Faggot." And you're like looking at them like, get over it, you know.

Q:Why do you think they do that?

Heidi:They're insecure.

Daniel:They're afraid.

Heidi:Maybe they're gay and they can't deal with it.

Calisse:Yeah, they're really immature about seeing the facts.

Gabriel:If they're kicking it with their friends, they just go along with them.

Calisse:It's like those type of people, like when you were in the fifth grade and somebody mentions "penis" and they just start laughing. It's very immature. Especially when you turn your back. They can't tell you to your face.

Q:But you guys said at school mostly people are OK with it.

Daniel:Yeah, they are.

Q:Did that surprise you?

Calisse:It surprised me a lot.

Heidi:It's like when I told my girlfriend. She's like, are you bi? And I told her, yeah. I thought she was going to kill me. But she was like, I don't care.

Q:Why did you think they wouldn't accept you?

Calisse:The whole gay and lesbian situation is very sensitive.

Heidi:People get freaked out.

Daniel:You see a lot of gay and lesbian people being rejected for it, for being homosexual. In society. You see a lot of gay bashing.

Calisse:It's scary. Because you don't know what's going to happen.

Heidi:You could get hurt. I'm proud to be gay, but sometimes you're walking around and you're like, no one's going to jump me, right?

Q:Do you guys worry about that?

Daniel:Sometimes.

Heidi:I think it's mostly for the guys.

Calisse:For the girls, sometimes girls get irritated, and it's like, you don't have to be scared of us. It's not like we're going to go over there and hit on you. It's like you're straight and we know you're straight. It's no biggee, there's nothing to worry about

CAUTION AND CONCERN

Q:Those times when you worry, is it because of where you might be?

Daniel:When you're in a public place like a mall or a school, you're protected. Because they have security and stuff. But when you're walking down the street or an alley you can't be secure.

Heidi:You have to be careful. I'm constantly looking back.

Calisse:Guys follow you. Especially when you're with your girlfriend.

Heidi:Yeah, we've gotten that a lot.

Calisse:It's scary. It's really scary. Because they harass you. Sometimes I've been followed home, when I've been walking down the street at night with my girlfriend. They'd follow us and try to hit on us.

Gabriel:I haven't had a personal experience where they've come up and tried to kick my butt or something. I really don't worry about it much. But there are times where I'm like, should I be walking down here at this time? Should I act different? Should I walk different?

Q:Have you ever changed the way you dress or the way you walk because you were worried?

Heidi:When I was in junior high, well, I used to dress up like a guy and people would be like, is she gay? Then I started dressing girlie again.

Q:What's dressing like a guy and what's dressing girlie?

Calisse:Girlie is wearing a skirt, make-up, always doing your hair, tight pants. I feel more comfortable just wearing big pants. I can not stand girlie jeans, you know, the hip huggers? Ugh.

I was always weird. I would always wear black or I would always wear big pants. Basically no one questions it. Like, oh, she's gay. It's just like it's eccentric. People put it in that term. People never knew. Freshman year, they were like, oh she's weird, a freak, whatever. Until I dated some girl at school, and that's when they started getting a notion, that's when they started knowing. I started being open with it more.

Me and Daniel, we even made a necklace that says "Queer" and we used to wear it at school. Everybody would just laugh about it or look at it like, you know, wow, they're really open with it.

That put them in assurance, that you don't have to be scared of us because we're not scared of you.

Q:Do you feel that because you are open about your sexuality that people are less likely to tease you?

Daniel:Some people aren't happy until they actually hear it. And then they stop teasing you. Freshman year, they teased me a lot. But then last year and this year, I started coming out more and I don't get teased.

Calisse:Yeah, not as much as I used to.

Q:Albert, do you get teased about your brother?

Albert:Yeah. At first I didn't think of anything until some of my friends somehow found out that my brother was gay. And then they started teasing me about it. They said, oh, you have a gay brother, you're most likely gay, too. Your brother is pulling you into it.

I'd just ignore them in the beginning. But then after a while I started getting annoyed by it because they kept doing it and doing it. Then all of a sudden, I snapped. I got really angry.

And some guy came up to me at the worst time and he told me, oh, you're gay or whatever. He just kept pushing me and pushing me, telling me you're gay. We got into a fistfight. The thing was, I defended my sexuality and defended my brother, too.

They planned something in the beginning, to do something with me just because I had a gay brother. At first I told them, you know what, my brother's gay, so what? I'm not, I'm straight. But it just gets very aggravating

But I felt insecure, too. When I entered junior high, it was like they already knew. So some guy just started following me home. I got home safely the first few days, luckily.

Then I just started walking home with friends that I knew that walked in the same direction. I just felt safer - they're not going to come up to me and do something when I was with friends.

They would tease me every once in a while but I would just ignore them. But then my friends would get tired of it, too. So they would back me up. And then pretty much everybody started getting OK with it. Now nobody says anything, except for a few people.

Q:Now are you guys friends because you are gay?

Calisse:No, we were friends already. I met Gabriel my freshman year. I was on the Pep Squad and I used to ride on the bus with him and we'd talk. And then I met Daniel sophomore year and we started talking more. But I never had a notion that he was full-out gay. It was just basically like, it was what he was, what person he was. I started talking to Heidi through my best friend. My best friend is bisexual.

Q:Did you ever feel you needed to join any support groups or a club?

Daniel:No. That's why you have your friends.

Heidi:We don't need any of that gay club stuff.

Calisse:Basically, my house is like a center. All my gay friends can come over.

Gabriel:There's gay people, there's straight people. We all get along like family.

Q:Are there things that you worry about, though, that have to do with your sexuality? Gabriel:Accepting it.

Calisse:The thing that scares me about the future is employment - you know if they find out you're lesbian or gay, they might discriminate. If they question about it, I'll be like, yeah, I am.

Q:What about sexually transmitted diseases? The risk is higher for homosexual males. Do you guys worry about that?

Gabriel:I do a lot. I get scared. Like something is going to happen. I get checked like every six months or so. And I come out clean all the time. So I'm grateful for that.

Daniel:I worry too much about everything, so I really protect myself. I don't think there is a way I could get that.

Q:What about you girls?

Calisse:I've gotten tested before. I'm very cautious. I used to work with Planned Parenthood, so I kind of have a little more info on everything. Basically I'm more cautious. Sometimes, the idea does come up in my head: What if I do, you know, what if? That just makes me more cautious about who I'm with, who I'm dating.

It's just basically communication. All you need is communication. If you don't have that, then that's the one fear you should always have. What if someone does have something and they don't tell you? Then there goes your life. You've just got to make them reassured that it's a comfortable situation to talk about.

Heidi:I really don't worry about anything.

Q:Is this time in history a good time to be homosexual?

Daniel:Now more than ever.

Heidi:There's a lot of people, like, well, if they read this about other people who came out then they might think, we can do it.

Calisse:There's more information out today. These days it's good to be a teen-ager because it's more laid back and basically nothing is out of the ordinary these days.

It's a good time to be like, hey, you know I'm gay and I'm proud.

Q:Does it help to have celebrities like Rosie O'Donnell or Elton John be open about their sexuality?

Daniel:Yes it does. They see those people and their famous and well they get along with everybody. So it's an example that gay people are friendly. That we can get along with people.

Calisse:It's not a role model but it's kind of like a push to like, if I'm famous and everybody knows my business, it's OK to be not famous and everybody can know who I am.

Q:What about the way gay people are portrayed in the media, on TV?

Gabriel:On TV and in the movies, they make them like so gay, like their hand gestures and everything. There's a lot of guys that look so straight, so manly and so butch and they're gay.

Straight people who don't like gay people, it's because they make them seem like, oh, they're girlie girls.

Calisse:The whole girl thing, like people will put up a dyke with short hair, dresses like a boy, looks like a boy. And some of the girls from school don't look gay. They look straight.

Some people want to go with the whole butch look or the whole fem look.

Heidi:I look straight.

Calisse:The media exaggerates too much. They don't make it realistic.

Gabriel:They get more people to look at their shows.

Heidi:"Queer as Folk" is the closest one I can think of to real gay teen life.

Calisse:It's more like a documentary. There's a lot of films out there that have portrayed more realistic gay and lesbian life. Then there's other ones that exaggerate and those are the ones that just annoy people. There are people like that, that are really dykey or really queeny. But the realistic ones are us.

Heidi:We are the real thing.

Q:Is it different in the Latino culture in terms of acceptance?

Daniel:Way different.

Heidi:Being Cuban and Mexican, it's like really hard. Cuban side, you gotta like pretend to be straight for some of my family. And it sucks. But on my dad's side, the Mexican side, it's like I don't care. On my mom's side of the family, for my cousins who don't know or my aunts in Cuba when we go down there, I have to act totally straight.

Gabriel:It's really hard on Latinos in general.They expect you to be straight because they're really strict on how you are, who you marry and stuff like that.

In some families, it is OK because they're cool with it. But then you have the really hard core Latino parents.

Heidi:The ones who come straight up from Mexico.

Calisse:On my dad's side of the family, he was from Mexico, and he's open about it. My uncle knows, too. But on my mom's side mostly it's more we know who you are but don't make it so open. Don't have rainbows all over your face, or anything like that.

Q:Is that different from teens from an Anglo background or other backgrounds?

Daniel:Yeah, there's a lot of Anglos that are very experimental. That's why they're so open about it.

Q:Are Latinos moving in that direction?

Calisse:Yeah, they're basically more lenient today.

Daniel:Here, in the United States, yes. But probably if you go down to Mexico --

Heidi:They'll beat you up.

The only time I think I act straight is when I go out to dinner. No holding hands with the family there. Like when we were going out, her mom would be like "Calisse, Heidi. Don't hold hands." When we're on our own, they can care less. But when we're with them, it's like don't be so proud.

Calisse:It's just respect. I can understand. If it was my sister, they wouldn't want my sister holding her boyfriend's hand in public.

Q:Do you guys feel comfortable showing affection to your boyfriends or girlfriends when you're out in public?

Gabriel:Certain times.

Daniel:For guys, it's a lot harder.

Heidi:For us, they can care less.

Daniel:The guys whistle at them, it's a big turn-on for them. But if you're a guy and you're holding hands with another guy, they yell at you.

Straight guys, they tend to think that they're dominant toward everybody.

Calisse:They have to be "macho."

Daniel:It's like we're going to give a bad name to them or something.

Q:So in some places you'd be more open than in others?

Calisse:There are times where you know to hold hands.

Daniel:When you feel more safe.

Heidi:It's a feeling in your gut.

Q:What would make you not feel safe?

Daniel:Walking down the street where you're by yourself. Even in a neighborhood that you are familiar with. Like this neighborhood, no, definitely not.

Heidi:Maybe mine, but not here. You'd get beat up.

Calisse:You just feel it. You have a gut feeling.

Q:Do you ever worry about your brother's safety, Albert?

Albert:Sometimes. But my brother can take care of himself. And he usually walks with friends all the time, too.

Q:Do you do that on purpose, make sure you're with other people? Is it a habit?

Calisse:Most of the time. Like when we walk around, if it's just me and Gabriel, we're really open with it. If a guy gets rude, I'll just like start telling the guy off. When a girl tells me something, he'll do the same thing.

Gabriel:We've got each other's back.

Heidi:Yeah, if we fall, we're all here to catch it.

CONNECTING TWO WORLDS

Q:Why did you want to talk about your homosexuality?

Heidi:So people would understand more.

Calisse:It's information that we want people to know. We are here and we do care what other people think, but only to a certain extent.

Just to prove people wrong about the stereotypes. And telling us things that just hurt us, really do hurt us. We are like other people. It doesn't matter if we're gay or not.

Gabriel:Most people don't get to know the person. They judge them just by how you are. They don't get to actually sit down and talk to you.

Q:What would you say to other gay teens who aren't as open about their sexuality?

Heidi:Just do it, you'll feel better.

Calisse:Find when you're ready to say, hey this is me, I'm ready to tell you who I am. A lot of people do hesitate because of gay bashing and their family leaving them.

Daniel:I would say that you need a lot of friends to back you up.

You can lean on their shoulder or whatever when you feel down. Because your family is not always going to be there. Your friends understand you better than your family most of the time.

Calisse:You've just got to be comfortable with it first. And then, they'll know. Like, hey, I'll tell this person and then that person will tell this person. A big whole chain. Then everybody knows it.

Heidi:It's different for everybody. You've just got to be comfortable.

Daniel:Be proud of yourself. It doesn't matter what other people think, because they're always going to think that either way.

Albert:I wish everybody else would think like me and have an open mind about friends or family members being gay.

Calisse:The world would be a better place. It's funny, too. 'Cause like when we go out, Albert checks out girls. And I can have an opinion about it, too. I mean that's the kind of fun that we have.

We can connect those two worlds. People don't understand that. Quit treating us like we're two different worlds. We're not. We're one. You've just got to see the connection.

Contact Walker at (714) 796-7793 or twalker@ocregister.com.

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John Myers
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(518) 587-0176

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